Ideas for CAL (things to change)

[theprez6344]

Hello all,

Was wondering if anybody had anything for the CAL admins to go over tonight? ~Things like rule changes/pistol mod/cvars... etc

I do not want to hear about team moveups/downs or anything else not related to the question at hand.

-prez

[Tenacity]

ban the use of proning (seriously).

[dmonixed]

i would like pistol mod ty.

[S.Hawking]

pistoleros

[birch]

pistols, and allow voice_negative

[BANKS]

i would like pistol mod ty.
i agree with this statement...

[Negative!]

pistols

[swarm120]

never use coire ever again

[Negative!]

dont use santos in wk8

[Tenacity]

deluge for cal

[Kp]

No assault class.

[JimmyJimmington]

pistols, dont use santos more than once per season

authorize setinfo cl_interpolate 0
authorize 100 tick servers
change this cvar back:

sv_max_interp_ratio 2

bring back bonus round
turn off freeze cam
get an ac program that actually checks configs.

[Near_LaKai]

3 divisions. O, IM , M
No Santos Week 8
Add Solitude
No Pistol Mod
No tryharding
Voice_Negative Allowed.

[Ducky_BAD]

3 divisions. O, IM , M

oh gawd -.- its the same fuckin thing as o m i

[darkk]

pistols, dont use santos more than once per season

authorize setinfo cl_interpolate 0
authorize 100 tick servers
change this cvar back:

sv_max_interp_ratio 2

bring back bonus round
turn off freeze cam
get an ac program that actually checks configs.
/thread
But yeah please put in a pistol mod or atleast maybe fix the gun damages

[Negative!]

hire cypher... again...

[raven17]

Pistols

[Near_LaKai]

oh gawd -.- its the same fuckin thing as o m i

Dont compare Main with Invite ducky.

[Ducky_BAD]

but its the same exact thing, wat else is different from it besides the name?

also, do everything what jimmy said minus the bonus round (if by that u mean the killing when someone caps out)

[Near_LaKai]

but its the same exact thing, wat else is different from it besides the name?

also, do everything what jimmy said minus the bonus round (if by that u mean the killing when someone caps out)

before the arguement was..you cant put main people in invite, because their not invite calibar.

now since there is no invite, you cant argue that point anymore.

[Ducky_BAD]

before the arguement was..you cant put main people in invite, because their not invite calibar.

now since there is no invite, you cant argue that point anymore.

-.- wow

[Tenacity]

near you are retarded

[Near_LaKai]

near you are retarded

if you wont do 3 divison, i vote for extending the season 3 more matches for compensation for the more teams.

[GunnerGirl]

The name and skill level are quite different. Sure main is LIKE invite, but the skill level for invite is just not really around anymore (minus a couple teams) - the dods veterans that have been around CAL since the first season know what true invite competition is, these days it's a bit lacking.


Pistols mod. :]

100 tick servers.

[Ducky_BAD]

the point is its the same exact thing, whether the name implies anything or not =\

[GunnerGirl]

Yes, but I see what near is saying, you'd be putting people in an invite division when it's really not, yes it's the top league and good teams will go there but it's not really invite because most of us know what it used to be.

Unless we someday get invite back and change our standard of invite from being super damn good...to just good at this game.

[Ducky_BAD]

-.-

[Blackwidow]

if you wont do 3 divison, i vote for extending the season 3 more matches for compensation for the more teams.

The reason there are 2 divisions bcuz there's "supposedly" not enough ppl for 3 divs.

[Duffman!]

I agree with Jimmy, 100 tic is the big change I'd like to see, pistols are nice but either way is fine with me.

[GunnerGirl]

The reason there are 2 divisions bcuz there's "supposedly" not enough ppl for 3 divs.
Well, there won't be three divisions for a while...at least not this season anyways...so people can get off that boat pretty much, unless the admins decide to change it for whatever reason.

[Negative!]

how about, we keep 2 divisions for now and when the season end take the top 8 and put them in invite again. of course we already know the first two teams:rolleyes:

[dmonixed]

we have already decided on allowing 100 ticks, so theres one thing you guys get.

[GunnerGirl]

<3 yayayayay!

[cypher]

hire cypher... again...

Done.

Basically what everything Jimmy said, except for the bonus round. That'll give Brojas opportunities to dig himself out of going negative with how much we'd be capping out.. and that's just not something any of our team members can support aside from Brojas himself.

[flash]

we have already decided on allowing 100 ticks, so theres one thing you guys get.

100 tick servers run best at 500+ fps, so please people, don't cheap out and get a gameservers.com'ish quality 100 tick.

[reptaR]

Pistols please

[kmk]

100tick.
pistol mod.
delete prone.
delete near.

[Codename: V]

Play solitude.
ACS that checks configs/rates
Keep 2 divisions.
Pistols.

[BANKS]

Play solitude.
ACS that checks configs/rates
Keep 2 divisions.
Pistols.
this man is a GENIUS, except the division idea

[dmonixed]

'ACS that checks configs/rates'

we are working on a plugin that will include those and the pistol mod, along with any other change that we want added/deleted.

[S.Hawking]

So how long will the creation of this new magic take

[dmonixed]

depends on what trouble is ran into, but id say a few weeks.

[flash]

does this mean sv_pure 0? I want my custom crosshairs!

[dmonixed]

i cant answer that at the moment, cuz i just dont know. but it is possible.

[navarrete]

wc3 mod or zombie !

[SkepT]

if you wont do 3 divison, i vote for extending the season 3 more matches for compensation for the more teams.

wow your dumb, if you can read and count please do the following.

1.Go to CAL page. http://www.caleague.com/?league=DoDS&division=
2.Count all teams in open and main(that care enough to play).
3.Try to fit them in 3 divisons
4.Realize it would be same as last season(o,m,i).
5.If you don't understand these directions please refer to step 1. and hooked on phonics.


pistols mod, rate enforcer

[reptaR]

well. It would just be like the main division if we split it up.

20 or so teams in each division. Let the people that care go to IM.

And let the people that want to just play stay in O. And then for the good people like hijacked to go M. Idk....

[navarrete]

100 tick servers run best at 500+ fps, so please people, don't cheap out and get a gameservers.com'ish quality 100 tick.
^very true
sweet no reg 10fps 100ticks ftw!

[Maple_Springs]

-pistols
-100 tick servers (66 on rails or fix the map)
-enforce consistent interp settings! having interp 0 and interp_ratio 0 is nice but when some are still running default interp settings, it actually makes the reg worse because there is such a large difference between settings.
-ACS or 3rd party program to check configs/rates
-solitude?

[JimmyJimmington]

interp and interp ratio are client side. another persons setting of those 2 cvars wont effect your ability to hit them.

[theprez6344]

Season Update

~I deactivated all the teams with 2 or more FFL or unreported matches. If your team is not inactive and wants to play this season then have your team leader/manager pm me by Sunday (11/16/08) and I will reactivate you. After sunday though you will not be able to be reactivated.
~100 and 66 tick servers will both be allowed this season
~The cvar "mat_queue_mode" may only be set to the default value of -1. No other value may be used for this cvar.
~The rosters will be locked for good on the Sunday following our Week 4 match. So get your rosters figured out by then.
~The week 7 map will be dod_thunder_b3
~Again, I am still willing to create a euro division. If there is anybody that will step up to get this going (I have tried with the euros already) then please pm me.
~If there are any teams that get two or more FFL's in regular season you will be set to inactive and you will not be allowed to come back until the next season starts.

[theprez6344]

added: ~If your opponent does not respond in match comm by 11:59pm est on the Tuesday before match day then you may submit a FFW. This should help out teams trying to get remake matches scheduled.

[JukEboX]

Season Update

~I deactivated all the teams with 2 or more FFL or unreported matches. If your team is not inactive and wants to play this season then have your team leader/manager pm me by Sunday (11/16/08) and I will reactivate you. After sunday though you will not be able to be reactivated.
~100 and 66 tick servers will both be allowed this season
~The cvar "mat_queue_mode" may only be set to the default value of -1. No other value may be used for this cvar.
~The rosters will be locked for good on the Sunday following our Week 4 match. So get your rosters figured out by then.
~The week 7 map will be dod_thunder_b3
~Again, I am still willing to create a euro division. If there is anybody that will step up to get this going (I have tried with the euros already) then please pm me.
~If there are any teams that get two or more FFL's in regular season you will be set to inactive and you will not be allowed to come back until the next season starts.

Great job thanks prez. I think its a great idea for CAL to keep us posted in the community on FragDODS to promote the games and extend its understanding of their community.

[dmonixed]

this info was posted on the cal site as always too, its good to check out the news posts there if you want to know what we are up to.

[*UBK*]

Basically nothing much is being done for competitive dod:s, we are all to a point where we can agree that Sv_Pure 0 will not happen due to multiple anti cheat issues and cvars that it will enable, changing the damage values for all the weapons is just stupid, honestly the only class that needs the pistol is the KAR, other than that the carbine needs another clip of ammo and dods needs a good admin like kalas who at times has gone cal corrupt but knows 223398938839338393833 times more about the engine, anti-cheat and game in general than any other fucktards on the staff minus hoover who I <3. Anyways to get this game fixed there needs to be a way to enforce rates from some sort of plugin..*hmm* custom crosshairs should be allowed (like 1.3) and all and all the community just needs to shut the fuck up, the game has always never had a foot to stand on because too many retards (i.e frankie battle) try to get everyone to think COFLOLOLOL then all of a sudden they get rolled and it's OMGWTFGIMMIEDATVANLLAZBAKTODODZPLZ!!! Seriously the game right now is better than it was pre-update if you cant agree on that you are a retarded faggot who has no clue. Keep the game as it is and restrict the MG class to 2 so I will be able to run my "Crossfire from hell" strats and feature some bads in the "UBK OF THE WEEK". My 2 cents take it as you must but we need CAL ADMINS WHO KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING!!! NEED NEED NEED!

[GunnerGirl]

UBK has spoken.

[dmonixed]

UBK did not read a single post in this thread.

[Daeith]

Basically nothing much is being done for competitive dod:s, we are all to a point where we can agree that Sv_Pure 0 will not happen due to multiple anti cheat issues and cvars that it will enable,

Hey you don't understand what sv_pure actually does, great job, and a screenshot round takes care of any anti cheat issues.


changing the damage values for all the weapons is just stupid, honestly the only class that needs the pistol is the KAR,

Yeah, the Axis Rifleman is the only class that needs a backup weapon... (I'm being sarcastic but you're an idiot so I need to explain this to you.)

[DaneNickels]

- Do not allow cypher access to weenz
- Pistols
- Rate enforcer
- Better map rotation
- Life-support for Biggsy
- Op me in #scrimdods
- Leave damage values as is
- Find a new game to play

[ChadSexington]

- Do not allow cypher access to weenz
Thats unpossible

- Pistols Just to make you happy, I have given the sniper, mg, and assault class pistols. Use them well.

- Rate enforcer I give him 3/10
- Better map rotationDonner three times in a season is garbage. We need it at *least* five times
- Life-support for BiggsyAlas, he is not long for this world.
- Op me in #scrimdodsI dont even have the power to sneeze in scrimdods.
- Leave damage values as isI have also gone ahead and not hacked everyones copies of dods to change the damage values. You can thank me later
- Find a new game to play
I'm shotgunning minesweeper.

[Daeith]

- Rate enforcer



sv_client_cmdrate_difference "10"
sv_maxrate "30000"
sv_maxupdaterate "101"
sv_maxcmdrate "101"
sv_mincmdrate "67"
sv_minrate "20000"
sv_minupdaterate "67"

I don't really know anything about running a server, but don't these server side cvars prevent rating?

Though even with enforced rates, people with low fps will still be unhittable since fps is tied to your number of ticks out.

[Xyretire]

Thought better than to post how to rate on a public forum.

Not sure if it was still relevant, but hey, you never know.

[darkk]

perma locking rosters at week4?

[dmonixed]

perma locking rosters at week4?

yep. gl team stackers.

[Daeith]

Why are we playing Thunder? Replace Thunder, Rails, or Santos with Salerno.

[Rogers]

Only fix we need:

Less QQ, more Pew pew.

[darkk]

yep. gl team stackers.
This sucked in 1.3 and made teams die because they could not get active people on there roster

[Daeith]

http://www.zpgaming.eu/scenenews/1694/

Euros beat us to a rate/cvar enforcing plugin.

[flash]

Euros beat us to everything, what else is new?

[SkepT]

Euros beat us to everything, what else is new?

how very true. Do they use pistols?

[flash]

It's the fact that they came out with a decent rate/cvar plugin before we did. They also figured out stuff like making it possible to play with 0 lerp as well as figuring out how to use cl_interpolate again. If they didn't figure this stuff out who knows if we would be aware of them right now. I don't know if they use pistols, but if they wanted to it's not like they don't have the ability to do so.

[cypher]

You have to realize the Euro DoD:S community is rather active and holds numerous tournaments throughout the year (which is very feasible considering their inexpensive and easy means of travel). Not to mention, it's always been known that Euros are crazy configgers in various games, so of course they'd know every last cvar they could use to their advantage :p

[darkk]

Euros beat us to everything, what else is new?
Look at cod4 for example, the Euros made the promod and everything and i also think they made the zombie mod

[Chancho]

Good 100 tick servers, or stay with good 66 tick servers. Most ppl get shitty 100 tick that drop to 80 tick often.

[flash]

I prefer 66 tick over 100 because in order to stay at a constant 100/100 rates the client needs to have at least 100 fps otherwise either the cmd or updaterate (can't remember which one) will drop down to whatever your fps is at, and we all know there are people that play this game that can't get a constant 100 fps so they are un-intentionally rating and there's nothing they can do about it. Same applies for 66 tick but there's a higher percentage of people that get 66 constant fps then 100.

[Xyretire]

I don't think locking rosters at the end of week 4 is a good idea at all. Week 6 is fine as long as the admins are going to be proactive about making sure Open teams that decide to suddenly pick up a bunch of Main players at the end of the season aren't eligible for playoffs, since that seems to be most people's concerns about it anyway.

I don't know though. Maybe there's a good reason that you think locking rosters halfway through the season is a good idea that you wouldn't mind sharing with us?

[NimRod]

have admins setup mandatory make up matchs

[darkk]

I don't think locking rosters at the end of week 4 is a good idea at all. Week 6 is fine as long as the admins are going to be proactive about making sure Open teams that decide to suddenly pick up a bunch of Main players at the end of the season aren't eligible for playoffs, since that seems to be most people's concerns about it anyway.

I don't know though. Maybe there's a good reason that you think locking rosters halfway through the season is a good idea that you wouldn't mind sharing with us?
I agree, Its going to make new teams die because they can't get six ACTIVE PEOPLE ON THE ROSTER

[Codename: V]

have admins setup mandatory make up matchs

I support this idea.
Mandatory pre-scheduled makeup matches would be a good thing.

[Intelkiller]

One of these 2 things needs to happen.


Create a South American division so North Americans don't have to play against people with 200 ms pings.

Make a connection restriction for players where the max ping allowed no matter where you live is 125 ms.

[Intelkiller]

I agree, Its going to make new teams die because they can't get six ACTIVE PEOPLE ON THE ROSTER

There are other ways to do this too. For example not making a team active until they have at least 8-9 players on the roster and locking the rosters at week 4.

We were a new team this season and we started with 12 guys, this was to make sure there would always be 6 players available come match night. So far every single week we have had a forfeit win and a makeup match because of teams that have smaller rosters.

I agree with the makeup match idea.

[ChadSexington]

One of these 2 things needs to happen.


Create a South American division so North Americans don't have to play against people with 200 ms pings.

Make a connection restriction for players where the max ping allowed no matter where you live is 125 ms.

I remember when I was in open, and we faced 3-4 of them in a season.

General consensus was "Get out of open and its not a problem"

so good luck with that

[JimmyJimmington]

I prefer 66 tick over 100 because in order to stay at a constant 100/100 rates the client needs to have at least 100 fps otherwise either the cmd or updaterate (can't remember which one) will drop down to whatever your fps is at, and we all know there are people that play this game that can't get a constant 100 fps so they are un-intentionally rating and there's nothing they can do about it. Same applies for 66 tick but there's a higher percentage of people that get 66 constant fps then 100.

no.

[-NINE-]

I don't think locking rosters at the end of week 4 is a good idea at all. Week 6 is fine as long as the admins are going to be proactive about making sure Open teams that decide to suddenly pick up a bunch of Main players at the end of the season aren't eligible for playoffs, since that seems to be most people's concerns about it anyway.

I don't know though. Maybe there's a good reason that you think locking rosters halfway through the season is a good idea that you wouldn't mind sharing with us?

i see where you getting, but i think cal is just trying to convince teams to stick together, or basically get there shit together instead of waiting until week 6. too many players hop around from team to team all season.

[dmonixed]

Get out of open

also week 4 roster lock will work, just wait.

[Xyretire]

Get out of open

also week 4 roster lock will work, just wait.

I haven't seen any people who are IN open saying this is a bad idea.

I'm not even sure what the rosters locking at week 4 is supposed to solve. I'm assuming it is because of people roster hopping late in the season to make playoffs, but I don't know. All I'm asking for is an explanation of why you think it will help, and what it's even supposed to fix.

People have posted reasons why they think it's a bad idea, and all you have to respond is "trust us"?

It might also help to clear up all of the completely unnecessary shit in this thread. (Discussions about PHX's shittiness and French language lessons, in particular.)

[Winters]

Moved/Deleted all the shit.

[dmonixed]

xy i was just using the reference from one of chads post. was a joke. but ya there is something involved in this rule that i dont think im sposed to tell atm. so i cant disclose any more details.

[Hatred]

What about KS chad, they are hunting us in main now

[Buckbrown]

i agree with high ping having there own cal league. and then we also knock out some ffw

[SkepT]

pistols

[williamsikblackwell]

I have a couple of things the cal admins should go over...

#1 Kill this game already, jesus.
#2 Stop playing the worst maps ever made.

please consider. thank you

[navarrete]

1.unban every other kid that cheat'd
2.no anti-cheat
3.orange fight
4.carbine / c96 for every class

[emc]

pistols and 80 hp

[emc]

scratch that

EITHER pistol OR 80 hp

[Ghetto Fabulous]

I have a couple of suggestions of my own for the community:

Show up for your matches. It is not the fault of CAL that players forfeit matches because they don’t like the map that is chosen and then sit here and cry about making mandatory make up matches.

Be a player and not a douche bag. CAL admins are not paid for what we do. It’s a volunteer position. Admins give up their personal playtime to have to deal with all the bullshit the community loves to shovel out. We are here by choice and our lives do not revolve around CAL. We go out of our way to try and accommodate every single player and team to help the league run smoothly yet all any of you can do is complain and be ungrateful. We are not asking for praise or recognition, just respect as individuals who are trying to make your game play exp better.

Rosters’ being locked is something you as a community have brought upon yourself by your lack of responsibility as players. Players who quit a team in my opinion should be out for the rest of the season and not allowed to just jump on another team because of a loss. If you want to stack your teams, by all means do it, but being a good player doesn’t make you a good teammate. Many of you are under the impression that just because you are good player as an individual, you MUST also be good as a teammate. Then to find out that when you form a team of other great players who could care less about team play than yourself, now you have a just a group of players who will rage quit over a loss, claiming that the problem is the game itself is broken. This of course leads to FFL, rescheduling, more bitching and complaining, and instead of trying to help improve the game; CAL admins instead have to waste their time renaming teams, surfing through teams making sure there are enough for each team, etc…

Follow the Rules. So many of you go out of your way to intentionally break the rules because “it’s just a game” or “they will never find out” and for your information, we know. So many of you rat each other out on a day to day basis, not just because you got beat but even players from the same “team” trying to get someone they just don’t like removed from league play. We know if it’s really your little brother playing; we know if the computer upstairs is really being “played by your cousin”; we know who which of you banned players try to come ring for matches and because of all that we have to take more time away from the other %90 of the community that wants to actually play and deal with problem players.

I’ll leave it at that for now. I’m sure there are plenty who didn’t make it through the 2ndparagraph before trying to come up with some witty response in order to increase their “e-coolness”.

Suck it easy.

[NimRod]

I would post somethings but it would probably lead to me being banned of some sort, i'll just stay out of this for the most part. But on the note of respect and what crap you were talking about. You choose to be an admin, so either deal with it or you can stop, and plenty of admins before you have given plenty of reasons for people to give you guys shit. i.e. KP's ban and Rookies ban just to name a few

[Xyretire]

Rosters’ being locked is something you as a community have brought upon yourself by your lack of responsibility as players. Players who quit a team in my opinion should be out for the rest of the season and not allowed to just jump on another team because of a loss

This makes absolutely no sense. How is forcing people to stay on the same team from week 4 going to encourage responsibility? If someone doesn't want to play for a team, they probably just won't play. And guess what that leads to. More forfeits and inactive teams because they can't field enough players on match night, and can't pick anyone up to fix that problem.

There are also a lot more reasons that players could quit a team than just having a loss. There are also reasons that teams might pick up players other than trying to stack their team, such as some of their starters going inactive due to work, school or other shit going on in their life.

You run the league for the players, not for the fucking league itself. If this is the reasoning dmon was suggesting at for the early roster lock, that's fucking stupid, and I'm hoping it's not the case.

[ChadSexington]

Speaking of rosters locking . . . . why are they locked now? The next match is not for a week and change.

[JimmyJimmington]

Your font was so obnoxious I couldn't finish reading the first sentence.

[darkk]

This makes absolutely no sense. How is forcing people to stay on the same team from week 4 going to encourage responsibility? If someone doesn't want to play for a team, they probably just won't play. And guess what that leads to. More forfeits and inactive teams because they can't field enough players on match night, and can't pick anyone up to fix that problem.

There are also a lot more reasons that players could quit a team than just having a loss. There are also reasons that teams might pick up players other than trying to stack their team, such as some of their starters going inactive due to work, school or other shit going on in their life.

You run the league for the players, not for the fucking league itself. If this is the reasoning dmon was suggesting at for the early roster lock, that's fucking stupid, and I'm hoping it's not the case.
+1
Speaking of rosters locking . . . . why are they locked now? The next match is not for a week and change.
yeah it must be an auto lock or something who knows =p

[dmonixed]

alright fine, im gonna spill the beans. rosters lock after week 4, but after this, you CAN get a player put onto your roster if it is needed, it just has to be done by an admin, this will eliminate team stacking at the end of the season.

[NimRod]

DEAR cal admins contact beer count you guys screwed some shit up according to them

[wizzbang]

lol obnoxious font that shit cracked me up and xy is 100% right. Who gives a shit about team stacking at the end of the season? It not like teams hold players at gunpoint to play for their team. If good players want to stack up on a team let them do it.

[cypher]

There's 2 purposes towards deterring from team stacking at the end of the season:
a) It somewhat rewards the teams that have kept a consistent roster through the season and have dealt with the weaker links that team may have rather than shoving those players out and replacing them with a better player from a team that isn't doing so hot. The only thing that players jumping from one team to another towards the end of the season causes is overall team instability following into the next season (this was the case of hijacked, but our intentions were to win the last invite season this game would have anyways.. so leading into this season with instability wasn't much of a problem compared to other teams). So, a player leaving a team "because they don't like playing with them" aka "that current team won't have as good of a playoff standing" will only make that current team unstable and potentially the team they join unstable following into the next season. Whether the player needing to stay or being allowed to jump to a better team later in the season.. there's a cause of team instability either way; why reward those players over stable teams?

b) In a shorter form, this will make sandbagging situations in lower divisions much easier to handle. For example, multiple players on a losing CAL-M team will not be able to jump to a CAL-O team with hopes of an CAL-O title so easily.

Don't make this out to be a situation where players aren't able to move to different teams.

[Ghetto Fabulous]

This makes absolutely no sense. How is forcing people to stay on the same team from week 4 going to encourage responsibility? If someone doesn't want to play for a team, they probably just won't play. And guess what that leads to. More forfeits and inactive teams because they can't field enough players on match night, and can't pick anyone up to fix that problem.

How is going through 3 weeks of preseason then 4 weeks of regular season, just to quit your current team to go join a different team with a better record being responsible? The only place it happens is online where people feel they don't have to be held accountable for their actions. Don't get me wrong, I am not trying to change any of you, I don't think this is a community full of idiots; I just think many of you have actually forgotten why we play this game despite the constant problems that it brings.

You run the league for the players, not for the fucking league itself.

This league is not run for the players, it is run for the teams. We could have 5000 active dods players signed up for CAL each season, but if we dont have any teams, how do you expect the league to contine? Schedule 2500 1 vs 1 matches? Then everyone can see who drops the most bombs per match? That's all any of you guys ever argue about anyways. There is nothing team oriented about this community and it shows. Everyone complains how its the games fault when the game is still and always has been based around team play and not individual scores.

There are also a lot more reasons that players could quit a team than just having a loss. There are also reasons that teams might pick up players other than trying to stack their team, such as some of their starters going inactive due to work, school or other shit going on in their life.

Save the bullshit for parents or teachers and stop using the RL card. You have 12 slots to fill on your rosters, you should be a good team leader/manager and make sure your rosters are full just in case something happens to 1 player because 1 player should not be the difference in whether or not a team stays together. Obvisouly then, it's not a team. Stop making this so hard for yourselves.

Not to pick on you or start a flame war with you Xyretire, I am just trying to get you and the rest of the community to open your eyes a little more and look at the bigger picture and stop thinking so much about your KD ratio.

[switch`]

wowzers

[flash]

alright fine, im gonna spill the beans. rosters lock after week 4, but after this, you CAN get a player put onto your roster if it is needed, it just has to be done by an admin, this will eliminate team stacking at the end of the season.

Good thing prez is on our team ;) jkjk

[darkk]

Ghetto Fabulous who the fuck are you?

[flash]

Ghetto Fabulous who the fuck are you?

A day of defeat source player who has an opinion, just like every other person on this forum. And he probably doesn't know who you are either, so what are you getting at?

[skum]

Who needs pistols? Don't miss your shoots :D

[One Up]

the only class the pistol makes better is the kar, so wait... you want the gun that destroys the garand to be better? i agree with the skum, dont miss

[Hatred]

Then I need a pistol

[flash]

I played in the ego donner server yesterday and it gives pistols with every class (well at least the rifles) and I must say haveing a pistol with a kar is not ever fair lol

[emc]

1.3 every class had pistols, and the kar was one hit kill. i never heard any complaints.

[Daeith]

Who needs pistols? Don't miss your shoots :D

Kevlar arms plus the infamous DODS registration means that you can shoot someone clearly in the chest and 83 them or not even hit them. If this happens then you're very likely to get killed by the person you're shooting. Clearly outplayed by someone more skillful then yourself.

Every fps game worth its salt always has a backup weapon, anyway.

[Xyretire]

There's also the fact that you can end up killing 2-3 people, and then you're faced with a choice: reload (which takes forever) or try to melee (which works maybe 1 out of 4 swings, on a good day).

At least having a pistol would give you a third terrible option (seeing as they take a good few seconds to actually come out and shoot).

[skum]

Kevlar arms plus the infamous DODS registration means that you can shoot someone clearly in the chest and 83 them or not even hit them. If this happens then you're very likely to get killed by the person you're shooting. Clearly outplayed by someone more skillful then yourself.

Every fps game worth its salt always has a backup weapon, anyway.

Yes, was just an irony. I hate more when I only can see his head, shoot, hit him and... 83'd!! Wait, if only I saw his head, how is it possible? awful.

[frenetik]

there needs to be a way to better screen for the use of illegal e-steroids in cal.
whitetail uses e-hgh

[One Up]

there needs to be a way to better screen for the use of illegal e-steroids in cal.
whitetail uses e-hgh

whats e-hgh?
i google and it looks like a sterioid lol

i use to take ADD medicine and it made my BR in halo not miss, i was insane. god if i took that shit in dods i would be the best player.

[frenetik]

e-hgh is obviously an online human growth hormone that baddie gamers use to become top fraggers unnaturally (whitetail and nimrod use it)