PLAYOFFS - CAL O Elite 8 [Archive]

Hideyoshi

01-17-2008, 11:16 AM

TCO < Killing Spree kspree has good/cool ppl but TCO is way solid.
d6 > Fivesins Could go either way. Go Nav n co.
Epitome < Syndicate Gaming I'll be the oddball out to say Syn can hold their ground. Go J Jeriko n Bacon.
DJS > LEAD Can't really say. I'll say Chad n crew cuz I didn't think they'd do that well against TAmeoba.

Grats to all the teams that made it this far xP GLHF.

Draven_Blade

01-17-2008, 12:26 PM

TCO > Killing Spree - Going with the Undefeated one's on this one.

d6 <?> Fivesins - Don't know anything about these teams. But I would lean on Fivesins for this one because they raped a few good teams this season. ;)

Epitome > Syndicate Gaming - Lennon is another one of those camping maps like Donner, I see this one being very close. Watch for Bacon and Jeriko to hold the Apts and Garden with their "walling" tactics. :p Hell I'm glad we didn't win now, wouldn't want to play Eptiome...LOL

DJS < LEAD= MOTW IMO, I honestly think this one could go either way, but I really think LEAD is going to give DJS a run for their money, this one will finally not be a walk in the park for DJS. Not a great sniper map, so I'm going with LEAD on this one since Viper wont' have as much space on this map. We've scrimmed LEAD on this map, and they are tough.

andYz00m

01-17-2008, 02:49 PM

TCO < Killing Spree - Im gunna say Kspree cause they are good and they work well together and lennon is a team oriented map. I think they will have trouble at well than at long due to rifle skills (Hannah and co)

d6 > Fivesins _ Go Nav dev bunny waterboy!

Epitome > Syndicate Gaming - Sry Bacon and jeriko but I think this team has got it. This will be a good match up in mid with excellent heavies on both sides.

DJS > LEAD - tA lost to DJS due to lack of heavy prowess on our side and they just all 6 play really solid. Viper didnt blow me away (freddy helped with that) but chad really held us with that garand. If LEAD can hold long and watch the big window then they could give DJS a run for their money. tA almost beat LEAD due to connection issues but they are a solid team that should put up a good fight.

RangerJoeDanger

01-17-2008, 03:41 PM

epitome is going to destroy soldiers on lennon

ChadSexington

01-17-2008, 04:16 PM

TCO > Killing Spree - I see TCO taking this one without much trouble. They're a solid team that has good teamwork, I don't expect it to be close. TCO by 5 caps.

d6 <MOTW> Fivesins - I chose this as the MOTW as it is (in my opinion), the two closest matched teams this week. The victor will be whoever can set the pace successfully. I give the win to d6 by 1 cap & tics.

Epitome > Syndicate Gaming - This will not be close. Lennon CAN be a tight map, but epitome is going to blow it open. e* by 500.

DJS <glhf> LEAD
Nice chad, i guess im just defending a fellow team mate. Yeah a DJS matchup will be fun.. i think we would win tho. :)
Well you get your wish ;)
Sad that the winner of this gets a ticket to be destroyed by epitome. I personally would rather played them on ANY of the other playoffs maps. Salerno is going to be a CAL-I blowout all the way. Too many spots that a good player can set themselves up in to completely spawnlock a team.

pooter

01-17-2008, 04:32 PM

DJS is a really good team. I think they will beat Lead. Thanks to Chad and crew for being a class act etc. I had fun playing against you guys - definitely the toughest match other than d6.

Epitome will beat whoever they are playing

d6 is really solid - I pick them over 5sins

TCO will likely advance to the next round

I guess it's all a matter of whether anyone can beat Epitome at this point.

Go d6!!! I will be your 500 lb cheerleader

Joro

01-17-2008, 05:24 PM

TCO > Killing Spree TCO's sniper is pretty good, Aristo i think?
d6 > Fivesins we played d6 waterboy is really good
Epitome <glhf> Syndicate Gaming
DJS > LEAD i havent played either team so im going off others

ChadSexington

01-17-2008, 05:28 PM

i havent played either team so im going off others

Maybe if you guys scrimmed once in a while you'd get that oppertunity ;)

NJC

01-17-2008, 05:41 PM

TCO > Killing Spree--KSpree may be laggy but TCO is too good...plus they have upgrade <3
D6 <MOTW> Fivesins--My MOTW...both teams are good teams that have proven this...I have to give it to D6 because Nav will drop a 50 bomb...do it for me Nav <3
Epitome > Syndicate Gaming--Cal-I Reform!! lol gl to both teams in this one....go jkillz
DJS > LEAD--Go TerraChad!!!! Good match though

LaG

01-18-2008, 11:00 AM

TCO <GL HF> Killing Spree
d6 < Fivesins go Peps & Co.!
Epitome > Syndicate Gaming
DJS < LEAD <3 Pancho, Prydian :D

Switch

01-18-2008, 11:22 AM

omg i just know aaron and nick will rape with the rifle on this map.

sry whoever epitome plays against..

Jolie

01-18-2008, 02:24 PM

TCO <HF> Killing Spree <3 Aristo :o
d6 < Fivesins Some of d6 have awesome skills, but I think Fivesins can do it.
Epitome > Syndicate Gaming
DJS < LEAD I've never played vs. DJS, but I like LEAD. (nothing against DJS)

ChadSexington

01-18-2008, 02:50 PM

I've never played vs. DJS

Yes you have. On rails. We just alias a lot.

Jolie

01-18-2008, 02:59 PM

Yes you have. On rails. We just alias a lot.
Oh we did? well.. surely we lost ;)

I do remember Viper from the past season, with HF I think... anyway, we had fun :D

therookie

01-18-2008, 04:32 PM

i wanted djs to win open to.....oh well 2nd place isnt that bad ;p...gl in main

epitome by over 9000

kLoN

01-18-2008, 05:45 PM

TCO <> Killing Spree this will be the match to watch, both teams have great players, kspree with lag, hanna, etc. and TCO with aristo, papa, and now upgrade.
d6 > Fivesins easy, 6 caps
Epitome > Syndicate Gaming epitome have a good team, win for 2 caps
DJS < LEAD pancho & co will pass for 4 caps

Codename: V

01-18-2008, 05:52 PM

TCO > Killing Spree-- I think Kspree is gonna give em a run for their money, but TCO will win. Prove me wrong KSpree. TCO by 2 rounds and some ticks.
D6 > Fivesins -- Hmm another good match up that could go either way. Expect Navarette to hold off the garden. D6 by 1 round.
Epitome > Syndicate Gaming -- Syndicate is a decent team, but Epitome is reform. Epitome by 3 rounds.
DJS <MOTW> LEAD -- I expect to see some great sniper and rifle battles going down in the garden. Which ever team can control the garden with their rifles will move on to win it. I haven't played with DJS as a whole but I think Chad and Viper will hold their own against Kromium, Prydain, and the rest of the lead crew. LEAD by ticks.

Fluffy_Bunny

01-18-2008, 06:00 PM

TCO > Killing Spree - TCO shouldn't have much of a problem taking this, but watch out, Killing Spree may surprise you.

d6 <GLHF> Fivesins - We've been waiting for this matchup all year. Lennon=GODLIKE

Epitome > Syndicate Gaming - Can't go against Epitome at this point.

DJS <MOTW> LEAD - We played LEAD week 2 on lennon and they beat us, they play this map relatively well, but I'll have to give the nod to DJS by about a cap and a half.

ghett0jedi

01-18-2008, 06:32 PM

glhf everyone. I'm too lazy to predict. Any STV for DJS vs LEAD???

Negative!

01-18-2008, 06:56 PM

glhf everyone. I'm too lazy to predict. Any STV for DJS vs LEAD???

if its on our server yes, there is, some people were watching last match.

glhf LEAD. i hope a dont play, cause lennon is horrible, i hate it.

Dwallace

01-18-2008, 07:56 PM

glhf to all

bounce

01-18-2008, 08:58 PM

TCO > Killing Spree - TCO and Kspree are both VERY solid, yet I KNOW that TCO will pull it off once more. TCO FOR CHAMPS

d6 > Fivesins - I remember both teams fairly well, and I do believe d6 will take the win. I remember them giving me a tougher time when I scrimmed than Fivesins.

Epitome > Syndicate Gaming - Sry paun, you are my little TK bag, but I can't give you a win here. HOWEVER, I would love for syn to get these talkers out of the race.

As for DJS and Lead, I don't remember playing you guys so no can do here :P GL though

MiCrOwAvE KiNG

01-18-2008, 10:18 PM

TCO > Killing Spree
d6 > Fivesins - Gl to Both
Epitome > Syndicate Gaming - if bacon/jeriko can do hold apartments possible good match. Put up a source tv i want to watch. XD
DJS <MOTW> LEAD

gL to all teams in playoffs. Put a source tv so I can watch :D

jeriko

01-19-2008, 05:03 AM

source tv is good jus dont connect in the middle of match it brings up choke in game.

Sloth

01-19-2008, 11:17 AM

TCO > Killing Spree - TCO and Kspree are both VERY solid, yet I KNOW that TCO will pull it off once more.

d6 > Fivesins - I remember both teams fairly well, and I do believe d6 will take the win. I remember them giving me a tougher time when I scrimmed than Fivesins.

Epitome > Syndicate Gaming - Should have beat them on donner when its easier. Blow out.

DJS > Lead - DJS will beat Epitome somewhere along the lines and win Open. With the "fix all" patch coming out soon, old teams return and make up main and invite filling up the divisions, forcing DJS to stay in Open. Chad gets super duper pissed again.

LudwiG

01-19-2008, 12:09 PM

TCO > Killing Spree - TCO has very good teamwork and will be led by Aristo. TCO should make it to the final match vs Epitome.

d6 > Fivesins - d6 has become a dominant team in open this season so I expect them to win this game with relative ease with Nav dominating long.

Epitome > Syndicate Gaming - Bobson+Zoltan+Joro on a good server=easy win for epitome. <3 Syndicate tho

DJS > LEAD -*MOTW*- AIM and RR should hold down apartments but the match will come down to who controls the well better. This match could go either way bc both of the teams have great players. Will this be on sourcetv?

ChadSexington

01-19-2008, 02:32 PM

The LEAD <> DJS match is on LEAD's server, so I dunno about sourceTV. I would hope so though.

If they don't have sourceTV i'll see if I can get it on my server. We had about 8-10 people watching our last match to tell us how bad we were ;)

troyhectik

01-19-2008, 03:59 PM

epitome ><> Syndicate - GLHF -

look i made a fish

The_Oneness

01-19-2008, 04:19 PM

ChadSexington

01-19-2008, 04:41 PM

Sold!

SourceTV for our server is : connect 216.246.108.210:27020

Last match we had a channel for everyone watching, and we'll have it again. If you want to hang out in that channel pm me for vent details

Dwallace

01-19-2008, 04:54 PM

somebodys a bit full of their team, no offense though

DanTesla1

01-19-2008, 04:57 PM

TCO > Killing Spree
d6 > Fivesins
Epitome > Syndicate Gaming
DJS < LEAD

ChadSexington

01-19-2008, 05:30 PM

somebodys a bit full of their team, no offense though

Ummm, we had a bunch of people watching us because a lot of the people we know were either knocked out or in main and asked us to watch.

We made them a channel so they wouldnt confuse us while we were playing.

also, I noticed that some people asked for it :

DJS > LEAD -*MOTW*- AIM and RR should hold down apartments but the match will come down to who controls the well better. This match could go either way bc both of the teams have great players. Will this be on sourcetv?

glhf everyone. I'm too lazy to predict. Any STV for DJS vs LEAD???

And I'm fairly certain that neither of them have our Vent info.

Thanks for coming out though.

Dwallace

01-19-2008, 05:55 PM

ahh, i didnt look through the whole thread. it looked to me like you were just advertising your source TV out there. i wasnt trying to be rude but it seemed a bit silly from my point of view

RangerJoeDanger

01-19-2008, 06:15 PM

its funny how after i smoked a bowl i all of a sudden wanna make predictions!

TCO > Killing Spree - i put down 20 e-dollars saying that this is going to be a close match, just quote me on that, and then quote me anyways when im wrong lol. but watch! TCO by < 2 Caps
d6 > Fivesins - d6 wins, nav will hold it down where ever he is in this match and will greatly lighten the load off of the heavies and rifles. d6 by 4+ Caps
Epitome > Syndicate Gaming - The apts shall be dominated by epitome's heavies and the rest will fall into place
DJS > LEAD - Chad Sex and Viper are pretty good, they shall poop on certain LEAD members

im watching ghostbusters 1 right now, ! classic

Prydain

01-20-2008, 07:26 PM

UPDATED matchups

Panzer <> Killing Spree - overturned match because upgrade didn't run ACS

d6 <> Fivesins

Epitome <> Syndicate Gaming

DJS <> LEAD

Dwallace

01-20-2008, 08:21 PM

Ahahhahah Upgrade Zing!

Alias?

01-20-2008, 08:30 PM

that sucks

RangerJoeDanger

01-20-2008, 09:18 PM

damnit

ill do preds after i smoke another bowl....

Munky

01-20-2008, 09:25 PM

drugs are bad

RangerJoeDanger

01-20-2008, 09:26 PM

marijuana is not a drug

its medicine

Jolie

01-20-2008, 10:52 PM

UPDATED matchups

Panzer <> Killing Spree - overturned match because upgrade didn't run ACS

d6 <> Fivesins

Epitome <> Syndicate Gaming

DJS <> LEAD

yer, we r out too.. they said we used a Ringer because the IP range of that player was too different from the week 8 game.

hellooooo, ISPs do what they want, so? in fact, I have 2 isp at home, when my cable isnt working I use my DSL... is that against the rules?

good luck everyone!

scruffman

01-20-2008, 11:00 PM

hah, that looks like it sucks pretty hard. Was he actually playing or was it a ringer though?

Hideyoshi

01-20-2008, 11:02 PM

yer, we r out too.. they said we used a Ringer because the IP range of that player was too different from the week 8 game.

hellooooo, ISPs do what they want, so? in fact, I have 2 isp at home, when my cable isnt working I use my DSL... is that against the rules?

good luck everyone!

Wow that sucks. Me and my brother play on the same router, I wonder if we'll have issues as well since we have the same IP.

I wanted to watch Kspree /TCO too...

Prydain

01-20-2008, 11:06 PM

Thats the first time i have ever heard of that. I mean what if you are traveling between weeks of play like if you visit a friend in another state and such. I mean that seems hardly enough proof to overturn a match.

Munky

01-20-2008, 11:07 PM

yeah dude thats bullshit

MiCrOwAvE KiNG

01-20-2008, 11:11 PM

yer, we r out too.. they said we used a Ringer because the IP range of that player was too different from the week 8 game.

hellooooo, ISPs do what they want, so? in fact, I have 2 isp at home, when my cable isnt working I use my DSL... is that against the rules?

good luck everyone!

Thats so wak man.... me and hideyoshi have same IP is that gonna be a problem now? That is the first for me to hear that also.

(YES GIANTS INTERCEPT THE BALL) sorry off topic. But yea sorry to hear that Jolie.

Klown

01-21-2008, 12:29 AM

It wasn't that his IP was too far from his normal IP or that it was a completely new IP address.. Its the fact that the IP that was used to play in the match was that of someone else's IP that plays in CAL on a different team.

mindFreezeR

01-21-2008, 01:00 AM

That led to the admins of the CAL check to the ISP both players?

Hideyoshi

01-21-2008, 01:06 AM

What if he had a brother whom was on another team and played a match at the same time? Ran through a router, they'd have duplicate IP's. That's kind of a weak reason to throw someone out of playoffs.

Klown

01-21-2008, 01:49 AM

It wouldn't show that way Hideyoshi.

01-21-2008, 01:53 AM

Don't those Argentinians go to like an internet cafe when they play in CAL? Could that have any effect?

jizzf0rjosh

01-21-2008, 02:32 AM

What if he had a brother whom was on another team and played a match at the same time? Ran through a router, they'd have duplicate IP's. That's kind of a weak reason to throw someone out of playoffs.

The base IP would be the same but you transmit more than just your ISP issued IP when you're online

Hideyoshi

01-21-2008, 10:03 AM

The base IP would be the same but you transmit more than just your ISP issues IP when you're online

Oh. Well I'm noob so my bad.

Well, that sucks Jolie. Hopefully you don't have problems in the future as well.

bounce

01-21-2008, 11:29 AM

Well this is completely lame! I was lookin forward to this match and now neither team is going to be playing.

I think Kspree and TCO should play a match wednesday night just to see who would have won.

FuZzY_NuTs

01-21-2008, 11:33 AM

TCO > Killing Spree
d6 <MOTW> Fivesins
Epitome > Syndicate Gaming
DJS <GLHF> LEAD

I think d6 and 5sins will be the closest match of the week

bounce

01-21-2008, 11:39 AM

TCO > Killing Spree
d6 <MOTW> Fivesins
Epitome > Syndicate Gaming
DJS <GLHF> LEAD

I think d6 and 5sins will be the closest match of the week

TCO and Kspree are not playing.. its Elite and Panzer... lame lame lame

FuZzY_NuTs

01-21-2008, 11:44 AM

lol my bad . . .

Team Absinth Elite <dont really care> Panzer Gruppen
Lead <GLHF> DJS
Dirty Six <MOTW> FiveSins
Epitome > Syndicate

ChadSexington

01-21-2008, 11:46 AM

It wouldn't show that way Hideyoshi.

Question for you Klown :

What if he played from a friends place who is rostered on a diff team? For all intents and purposes, that would be indistinguishable from the other person playing for them, using their steamID.

Is the rule that you have to play from your PC?

polarbear^_^

01-21-2008, 12:26 PM

Question for you Klown :

What if he played from a friends place who is rostered on a diff team? For all intents and purposes, that would be indistinguishable from the other person playing for them, using their steamID.

Is the rule that you have to play from your PC?

That is a possibility but then everybody would use that as a excuse when they would caught playin with a ip from a different roster.

Spin

01-21-2008, 01:00 PM

Why did both TCO and Killing Spree get dropped? Same reason? cuz they both have a suspended player... I thought TCO was the only team with a different IP?

jizzf0rjosh

01-21-2008, 01:00 PM

That is a possibility but then everybody would use that as a excuse when they would caught playin with a ip from a different roster.

How many people do you know who live close enough to eachother that 'everybody' would use that excuse.

Spin

01-21-2008, 01:02 PM

NM, i See.. TCO didnt run ACS and Killing Spree used a ringer.

Hideyoshi

01-21-2008, 02:25 PM

You can track an IP for location, maybe it was really far off. Like yea, a friend a few blocks maybe an hour away but if someone who was originally playing from CA also played with an IP that belongs to someone in another state, that could be a little fishy.

I guess people should notify admins before they decide to play in the league while on the road? I dunno. I'm just throwing random stuff out lol.

andYz00m

01-21-2008, 04:25 PM

Wow, way to fuck it up. This is stupid I mean, grats to the other teams that came in but I'm pretty sure there were other teams that beat both of those teams in the regular season that might feel a little chinced....

I mean I know how the seeding goes but we play DJS and then this shit.... Damn what a playoffs.

Go d6 Epitome and DJS!

01-21-2008, 04:39 PM

tA > both TAE and the other argentians.

Oh well, thats seeding for ya.

Reaper

01-21-2008, 04:56 PM

Hrmmmm.... Interesting

Codename: V

01-21-2008, 05:07 PM

S7 Playoffs with many twists!
What's next ? Epitome gets shut out by SyN ?

LOL

Reaper

01-21-2008, 06:10 PM

S7 Playoffs with many twists!
What's next ? Epitome gets shut out by SyN ?

LOL

HAHAHAHA

That could never and wont happen.

mindFreezeR

01-21-2008, 06:14 PM

S7 Playoffs with many twists!
What's next ? Epitome gets shut out by SyN ?

LOL

\o/

Panzer > TAE

andYz00m

01-21-2008, 08:15 PM

Yea good luck TAE and Panzer.

TAE > Panzer - Absinthe Minded runs a tight ship, not amazing shots but a tight team should dominate Lennon.

Coach Bombay

01-22-2008, 02:01 PM

S7 Playoffs with many twists!
What's next ? Epitome gets shut out by SyN ?

LOL

no... CAL gifted them open when they screwed us over. We wouldn't have let those arrogant pricks take open again. There isn't any reason why we couldn't have played Panzer Gruppen again without Upgrade. Now I see why so many people have left this league.

ChadSexington

01-22-2008, 02:08 PM

no... CAL gifted them open when they screwed us over. We wouldn't have let those arrogant pricks take open again. There isn't any reason why we couldn't have played Panzer Gruppen again without Upgrade. Now I see why so many people have left this league.

Well, lets start with this. Cal rules dictate that anyone caught doing something 'wrong' in the playoffs is an automatic match turnover. This has happened before, several times. I'm sure some of the maligned can come out and speak about it.

So take this as a learning lesson to yell at your teammates to get their shit in order.

And beating epitome? Don't think so.

The best team to have that chance was Guru3d.

Why? First, Donner is a low cap match. I'd agree that anzio is the next best chance, but they'd stomp any team in playoffs on that map (incidentally, salerno is going to be the biggest cal-i blowout). Next apparently the server was really shitty, which took off a lot of the cal-i advantage. No one could hit their shots, so both teams got more level on a close, tight map.

Anzio is a tight map requiring teamwork - which epitome would have cause most of them have played before for extended periods of time. You're joking yourself if you think you would have beaten them.

Close is as much as you could hope for unless some of them :

a) dropped and failed to reconnect
b) didnt run acs
c) were disputed by you and either blatently hacked or didnt run demos

Granted you would have gotten much closer on Anzio than any of the teams left in that division, but it was a lock before and its still a lock now.

Hideyoshi

01-22-2008, 02:37 PM

Drunk Rifle

01-22-2008, 03:27 PM

Another open championship to a Cal-I reform team. i guess that is the new thing to do. Reform claim an open championship and then quit. mantastic did that so all those invite players could claim to have won all three levels of championships. Why wouldn't other invite teams want to have that title. sad

bounce

01-22-2008, 04:42 PM

I don't see the point in winning Open if you are supposedly so great... Stryk3r is always sayin, "keep it in open", so OBVIOUSLY there is something horrid about being an open team.

And Chad, I believe TCO would have a pretty decent chance against epitome. Guess we will never know now :(

ChadSexington

01-22-2008, 06:28 PM

And Chad, I believe TCO would have a pretty decent chance against epitome. Guess we will never know now :(

Thats true, we will never know.

Here are your advantages (same with any team in O) :

You practice together as a whole team, several times a week
Your teamwork will be a little better
They may not field 6 people who have played together
They may not field their best and not care

Their advantages :

They're better than you. Each of the six guys fielded is probably better than your best or close to it

They've won many playoff matches against better teams than yours

So thats pretty much it - you guys *could* possibly pull it off on donner. . . .Anzio would be tougher, but we'd never know.

flash

01-22-2008, 06:53 PM

umm....why is everyone arguing about "what could have been". What happened happened and thats that. Move on.

Joro

01-22-2008, 07:15 PM

whoa arrogant pricks.. what did we do?

bounce

01-22-2008, 07:26 PM

Actually, I haven't seen any of you guys acting arrogant. I just know what I read on your team page on CAL.

Those who I have played with on epitome have been pretty cool actually.

Coach Bombay

01-22-2008, 07:28 PM

Well, lets start with this. Cal rules dictate that anyone caught doing something 'wrong' in the playoffs is an automatic match turnover. This has happened before, several times. I'm sure some of the maligned can come out and speak about it.

So take this as a learning lesson to yell at your teammates to get their shit in order.

And beating epitome? Don't think so.

The best team to have that chance was Guru3d.

Why? First, Donner is a low cap match. I'd agree that anzio is the next best chance, but they'd stomp any team in playoffs on that map (incidentally, salerno is going to be the biggest cal-i blowout). Next apparently the server was really shitty, which took off a lot of the cal-i advantage. No one could hit their shots, so both teams got more level on a close, tight map.

Anzio is a tight map requiring teamwork - which epitome would have cause most of them have played before for extended periods of time. You're joking yourself if you think you would have beaten them.

Close is as much as you could hope for unless some of them :

a) dropped and failed to reconnect
b) didnt run acs
c) were disputed by you and either blatently hacked or didnt run demos

Granted you would have gotten much closer on Anzio than any of the teams left in that division, but it was a lock before and its still a lock now.

...if they are so unbeatable than why are they allowed to remain in Open? Also, why was Lead for Blood not disciplined when they cussed us out and readied up for us during our week one match? I think next season I am going to find a league with admins that uphold all of their rules rather than just some.

jizzf0rjosh

01-22-2008, 07:28 PM

I would rejoin epitome is a heart beat if it were not for MT, I actually almost did this past season but the prospect of exploring with Kirk was too great.

Epitome is CAL-I news to me

Also I love how people are directing anger towards Epitome for not being moved up....yeah makes sense

Negative!

01-22-2008, 07:34 PM

didn't they want to be moved up?

ChadSexington

01-22-2008, 07:44 PM

...if they are so unbeatable than why are they allowed to remain in Open?

http://fragdods.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1159

Also, why was Lead for Blood not disciplined when they cussed us out and readied up for us during our week one match?.

Did you dispute for that reason, or otherwise refuse to play? Had you used up your 15 minutes of leeway time to begin the match?

Epitome is CAL-I news to me
Also I love how people are directing anger towards Epitome for not being moved up....yeah makes sense
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Well the amount of deadbolt & mnm guys on there kinda makes the sway in my books. I'm not angry at epitome... they didnt do anything but realize they're stuck in O and predict themselves to win around week 3. I still think cal dropped the ball on that though. Yes, I know they made a decision, etc, but for what it is worth I would have moved them up if it was my choice. Regardless, a point worth discussing anymore.

I think next season I am going to find a league with admins that uphold all of their rules rather than just some.

This is the way it is. To think epitome doesnt have a lock on playoffs is naive. They haven't *done* anything themselves to warrant any aggression - I used to talk to many of the w0rd guys in season ~4/5. They're getting a lot of flak because its mantastic all over again - without any of the intrigue (or intent). Everyone who fought hard to be in playoffs is a little pissed because epitome is going to take it without much effort on their parts because they're just that much better than anyone else in open.

Just do well in open, get moved to main, then fire all your players and pickup the M/I guys that would laugh in your face when you tried to recruit them in open.

scruffman

01-22-2008, 07:46 PM

or get to main then ask to get moved back to open and go 8-0.

bounce

01-22-2008, 08:15 PM

They played main, they didnt do to well, lost some players, had to rethink things.

If thats what you meant scruff.

navarrete

01-22-2008, 08:16 PM

once again its cal o stfu n play ~!

scruffman

01-22-2008, 08:16 PM

and then went 8-0 in open.

Look, if you would have lost 1 or 2 matches i'd say fine, whatever i'm glad you didn't waste everyone's time in main (ie.) but you didn't, you stomped every team you played and you could have competed at a main level.

troyhectik

01-22-2008, 08:23 PM

lol internet explorers was/is the best team to grace this game. first match on lennon was epic!

bounce

01-22-2008, 08:23 PM

They didnt stomp EVERY team they played... they did well against most, but some teams came close. I hope very much that they get in main next season because I think they are now ready to advance to that level.

scruffman

01-22-2008, 08:24 PM

My point is they were ready to play main this season. Sure they may not have won every game, but they would have won a couple.

troyhectik

01-22-2008, 08:25 PM

how about we stop talking about epitome :D and play the game

U DIGGGGGGG

bounce

01-22-2008, 08:28 PM

I don't know scruff, they are ironing out some wrinkles right now. Hopefully we will get to play main next season though.

ChadSexington

01-22-2008, 08:34 PM

how about we stop talking about epitome :D and play the game

U DIGGGGGGG

He was, of course, talking about TCO. But thanks for coming out ;)

scruffman

01-22-2008, 08:40 PM

i really didn't think that the idea that epitome shouldn't be in open was debatable... it's more like fact.

Bonzereli

01-22-2008, 08:49 PM

I like ACS as a prog. I think the punishments about not using it are a bit steep. Granted people were warned and so on and so on it is very bad for a league when the best teams don't end up playing each other. When it comes to playoffs I don't think the rules for playoffs should be more lax I think the governance should be more thorough. I am going to suggest CAL change the ACS rule to suspension for the individual who did not run ACS. That person would then would have their demo's reviewed. If it was found that they were cheating then the match would be over turned.

The fact is CAL admins have discretion on what and how to enforce their own rules. It is in fact one of their rules

9.10 Administrative Discretion

For us it is very frustrating because we have issued complaints about rule violations in the past and have had no resolution. The appearance was that admins didn't give a shit. People keep brining up Epitome because they blatantly and intentionally bypassed the move up and again the CAL admins didn't appear to give a shit then they do what appears like bending over backwards to help them get into playoffs. (didn't Epitome set up a make-up match that the other team bailed on? How was it set up? The only official Match Comms I hope.... Were rules for this situation already set up in Rules section?) I digress on Epitome. I would have liked to face them in the final.

My point is discretion should have been used to make this the best playoff it could be but instead the admins took the hard line for a change.

ChadSexington

01-22-2008, 08:56 PM

Hi Bonzereli,

If this were the first time this has happened, or a surprise at all of the outcome, I might argue that as well. But the thing is, this has happened every season that i've been in CAL so far (thats 3 if you're counting), at various levels of play. Its serious enough that you know that anyone not running it WILL be caught and your match WILL be overturned. I knew that going into last weeks match and so did everyone who played in it. I've seen invite matches overturned due to no tiwaz/acs, so I don't think they'd think twice about some lowely open team.

And re : epitome 'blatantly and intentionally bypassed the move up' is debatable. You can't prove that their intention was to go in past the deadline and avoid moveup. They just came in late. . . and, for what its worth, i've never seen teams get moved up in week 3 - its usually after preseason and thats it. Maybe they wanted to win open without trying. Maybe they didnt care. Maybe they just didnt get their shit together in time to register. Who knows. Ask epitome, I guess.

jizzf0rjosh

01-22-2008, 08:59 PM

Not everything shows up in demos which is why ACS is used. Also "People keep brining up Epitome because they blatantly and intentionally bypassed the move up and again the CAL admins didn't appear to give a shit then they do what appears like bending over backwards to help them get into playoffs."

Made me lol quite hard

CAL is just slow, I remember being in Open Registration with IE for 2 weeks before I had to contact and admin telling them we had a full roster before they noticed and moved us into Open. I'm not sure if this is the same as epitome, but Blake (wehman on epitome) asked me to join even before I joined up with IE so its not like they planned this

Hideyoshi

01-23-2008, 10:35 AM

CAL should just make the deadline for entering the season by the end of Week 1.

Either way, this is the trend =P I believe the CAL admins try to do their job. Otherwise, we wouldn't be bitching about Epitome but Radiance and KBC.

ITS GAME DAY! GLHF ALL TEAMS.

kLoN

01-23-2008, 02:38 PM

Near_LaKai

01-26-2008, 12:03 PM

Chads rebuttals are impressive.

Reguardless, I still wanted to see TCO vs Epitome, in which the odds favored big time. I mean really, who didn't want to see Epitome vs the only 8-0 team in the league?

Oh well. Atleast Syn vs Epitome make for a good match IMO, even if people are saying its an obvious outcome already. Go Syn! xP

lol?

Para = not even stay route
Bogey= have to tell him what to do every second in vent
Jkillz= calls bad in vent. go left..no right..go left..push..nvm back up...
Tom/phoenix= core of team, but cant backpack and tell everyone everything and still stay alive
Bacon= knows what hes doing can rolls ppl too
Jeriko= good supporting heavy with bacon, will be alright
Blue= if he shows, will do alright
matteR= no show?
Near/me= unable to play due to para/bogey persistant rants of me being bad, even tho they leave me 3v1. And im bad because i cant take 3v1 on the bridge of anzio by myself vs guru. Make sense.

All in all loss because para and bogey think they are better than they are jkillz is too cocky and will fall apart. bacon and tom will have to save themselves but will ultimately result in being capped out.

And yes my team can say i suck or w/e. But what i say is the truth and im the only one with balls enough to say it. And if im lying tell me why SyN is breaking up? huh? lawlz..because were all tired of paras bad leadership/play and the lack of commitment period. =D

Love Near.

Hideyoshi

01-27-2008, 08:16 AM

lol?

Para = not even stay route
Bogey= have to tell him what to do every second in vent
Jkillz= calls bad in vent. go left..no right..go left..push..nvm back up...
Tom/phoenix= core of team, but cant backpack and tell everyone everything and still stay alive
Bacon= knows what hes doing can rolls ppl too
Jeriko= good supporting heavy with bacon, will be alright
Blue= if he shows, will do alright
matteR= no show?
Near/me= unable to play due to para/bogey persistant rants of me being bad, even tho they leave me 3v1. And im bad because i cant take 3v1 on the bridge of anzio by myself vs guru. Make sense.

All in all loss because para and bogey think they are better than they are jkillz is too cocky and will fall apart. bacon and tom will have to save themselves but will ultimately result in being capped out.

And yes my team can say i suck or w/e. But what i say is the truth and im the only one with balls enough to say it. And if im lying tell me why SyN is breaking up? huh? lawlz..because were all tired of paras bad leadership/play and the lack of commitment period. =D

Love Near.

Aww, someone hurt cuz Syn don't play em. Leave if you're so unsatisfied. They've obviously kept you in the dark because they're not breaking up. They just picked up better players to take your spot.

trainman

01-28-2008, 02:32 AM

sooooooo epitome is pretty bad

jeriko

01-28-2008, 05:06 AM

syn is in 4 next season with new ownership. lookin for rifles who is also good at heavy.

Near_LaKai

01-28-2008, 01:42 PM

Aww, someone hurt cuz Syn don't play em. Leave if you're so unsatisfied. They've obviously kept you in the dark because they're not breaking up. They just picked up better players to take your spot.

lol? SyN is going to be 1/2 ass. Tom leaves = Entirely new team. I'm left in the dark? Good thing because SyN will get rolled without Toms comms against any more experienced/skilled teams and thats a fact. Better players? lol..they lost more than they've gained looking at next season.

polarbear^_^

01-28-2008, 01:49 PM

paun paun will lead them to victory with his knife skills

MiCrOwAvE KiNG

01-28-2008, 02:40 PM

paun paun will lead them to victory with his knife skills

LOL

RangerJoeDanger

01-28-2008, 03:13 PM

fuck me

Munky

01-28-2008, 03:30 PM

touch me gently

LudwiG

01-28-2008, 04:09 PM

lol?

Para = not even stay route
Bogey= have to tell him what to do every second in vent
Jkillz= calls bad in vent. go left..no right..go left..push..nvm back up...
Tom/phoenix= core of team, but cant backpack and tell everyone everything and still stay alive
Bacon= knows what hes doing can rolls ppl too
Jeriko= good supporting heavy with bacon, will be alright
Blue= if he shows, will do alright
matteR= no show?
Near/me= unable to play due to para/bogey persistant rants of me being bad, even tho they leave me 3v1. And im bad because i cant take 3v1 on the bridge of anzio by myself vs guru. Make sense.

All in all loss because para and bogey think they are better than they are jkillz is too cocky and will fall apart. bacon and tom will have to save themselves but will ultimately result in being capped out.

And yes my team can say i suck or w/e. But what i say is the truth and im the only one with balls enough to say it. And if im lying tell me why SyN is breaking up? huh? lawlz..because were all tired of paras bad leadership/play and the lack of commitment period. =D

Love Near.

I have played you Lakai and every player on Syn is 10 times better than you so go cry some more to mommy bc Syn is much better off without you.

LudwiG

01-28-2008, 04:11 PM

I thought Syndicate was dead?

polarbear^_^

01-28-2008, 05:18 PM

nope they came back to life...

lakai is just furious paun paun is better than him

J Killz

01-28-2008, 07:35 PM

I thought Syndicate was dead?

yeah were back again thinking it over and got some good pick ups so syn can practice more , not like s7 with no practice and just play lol,

ChadSexington

01-28-2008, 07:36 PM

Good to hear. You guys were an upper O team, and if you put some effort into next season you could go far. Not win of course, cause Ostrich > MT in s8 open finals. I'm just sayin you'll go far ;)

J Killz

01-28-2008, 07:49 PM

Team MEL GIBSON

01-28-2008, 11:41 PM

How many people do you know who live close enough to each other that 'everybody' would use that excuse.

lots of the "penos gaming" "members" live in the same state and at least 4 live close enough to play from each others houses....

plus if some team go their shit overturned for the ip being different from week 8 to playoffs consider this... a college student would have been home during week 8 and could have gone back to college, possibly 1000s of miles away to play for the playoffs. the ip address would be crazy different

bad form

(this isn't really an argument to josh's post, it simply stems from it)

Team MEL GIBSON

01-28-2008, 11:54 PM

no... CAL gifted them open when they screwed us over. We wouldn't have let those arrogant pricks take open again. There isn't any reason why we couldn't have played Panzer Gruppen again without Upgrade. Now I see why so many people have left this league.

i assume you are referring to epitome as the arrogant pricks...

consider this; the epitome that won cal open, was a series of former cal open kids (at the time) and and 3 real-life friends of panz, zoltan and trainman (from deadbolt cal i at the time)... THAT epitome team was NOT a cal i reform, it simply had a few friends of cal i players on it and they went on to win s5 cal open...

after all of s6 and s7 preseason AND weeks 1 and 2 passed by, a few of the epitome members that had not played since the cal o win remade epitome to just show up and play once a week for fun. they had to make it in open like they had to, there is no other option... so since some of the former epitome members were real life friends with 3 of the deadbolt guys (who also had not played since the cal i finals s5) asked them if they wanted to play and just show up match nights. as im sure you've all figured out by now, they agreed.

the current epitome team is a group of primarily real-life friends, most from epitome, a few from former deadbolt. epitome had NO intentions on sandbagging in cal open, hence them not trying to hide under a weird name... the team was remade by friends to show up once a week and play for fun and that is what it remains...

this brings us to now... CAL did not move epitome up, it is not their problem, good luck in the semis gents

Team MEL GIBSON

01-29-2008, 12:19 AM

This is the way it is. To think epitome doesnt have a lock on playoffs is naive. They haven't *done* anything themselves to warrant any aggression - I used to talk to many of the w0rd guys in season ~4/5. They're getting a lot of flak because its mantastic all over again - without any of the intrigue (or intent). Everyone who fought hard to be in playoffs is a little pissed because epitome is going to take it without much effort on their parts because they're just that much better than anyone else in open.

Just do well in open, get moved to main, then fire all your players and pickup the M/I guys that would laugh in your face when you tried to recruit them in open.

smart comment